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Kain Rehel
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Posted - 2010.03.10 01:16:00 -
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Edited by: Kain Rehel on 10/03/2010 01:24:32
Edited by: Kain Rehel on 10/03/2010 01:21:14
www.Lotto49.ca Corp Plan
25 000 shares: 12 500 public / 12 500 corp.
Price per share: 1 250 000mil/per share
Estimated future return: 4.5% per lottery event
* Chapter 1 - The Purpose
* Chapter 2 - Background
* Chapter 3 - The Plan
* Chapter 4 - Risks
* Chapter 5 - Exit Option
Chapter 1- The Purpose
I have thought about this for awhile now and hope this appeals to all. My purpose of this is to find partners to raise isk threw corp. shares to be able to acquire more expensive items for future lotteries.
Chapter 2- Background
I have successfully completed 6 sold out lotteries totalling 3.345 billion in isk in prizes. The average time for my lotteries to complete from opening date to number drawn and prizes contracted out is approximately 6 days. The average profit after paying for prizes, 3rd party holder (I use Grendell) contract feeÆs, and website host fee is approx. 100mil. Keep in mind that my first 5 lotteries were primarily to gain experience, cliental, a nice lottery mail list, show the people I wasnÆt a scam and to try different price/prize structures to see what works best
I plan to stick with a 1mil/ticket price structure and adjust the ticket numbers depending on prize. This way even the new eve player can play, along with a veteran who can spend 100mil no problem.
My Characters are: I only have one account: Main Kain Rehel, alts lotto49 and Machaine
Chapter 3- The Plan
My plan is to stick with what I know. And thatÆs listening to my cliental, what they want for prizes and ticket prices. The hardest part is the constant updating of the forums and website, itÆs a pain, and IÆm currently in talks with a few website/software guys to make it more automatic. I am always looking at contracts and eyeing the forums for great deals on possible future prizes, to maximize my profit. With a total 15.625bil in possible investments if all shares sell, I plan to slowly but surely move up the scale of pricier ships for my main lotteries. At the moment IÆm doing carriers and would like to eventually move up to dreads, a jump freighters, and supercarriers. At the moment IÆm doing 1 lottery at a time with plans to soon do up to 3 lotteries at a time with different scale prizes to hit different market type (bpo, ships etc...)
My last lottery was a Thanatos. That lottery sold out in 3 days, giving me in the end a profit of 135mil after paying off all related expenses. Giving a share holder with 1 share 0.432% return after 4 days. Doing 5 of these type lotteries in 1 month would gather an approx. 2.16% return for a shareholder.
What the future to me means: bigger prize, bigger profit.
For example 1: on a jump freighter bought at 4bil and selling tickets of 5bil with an end profit of approx. 850mil would mean a 2.72% return for that lottery alone, which from what I see in the forums would take about 2 weeks (I hope to do do better).
For example 2: on a super carrier Aeon for example bought at 17.75bil and selling tickets worth 20bil giving me an end profit after expenses of approx. 2bil would mean a 6.4% return for that lottery alone, which from what I see could take anywhere from 2days to 3 weeks to complete.
Share dividends will be paid out after each lottery.
Chapter 4- Risks
Scam: There is always the chance that anything can be a scam. The 1.25mil/share was chosen for the relatively low risk investment. I love doing this, its fun for me, I in it for the long run.
Chapter 5- Exit option
At the end of each lottery, I will give shareholders an option to sell shares back to the corp. at the original price of 1.25mil/share if they wish to no longer be a part of this or are unhappy with returns. Or of course you can sell your shares to someone else.
This is on a reserved basis only at this time. Want to make sure everything is good to go first.
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Kain Rehel
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Posted - 2010.03.10 01:21:00 -
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Edited by: Kain Rehel on 10/03/2010 01:23:00
Reservation List
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Kain Rehel
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Posted - 2010.03.10 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kain Rehel on 10/03/2010 01:33:50
As i said, I spend probly half my game time doing this lottery stuff. I like it, its fun, and i'd like to get into the more expensive stuff. Isk is obviously holding me back at this time. 50% for me running the thing and 50% for you guys, I thought was a good deal. From my calculations its a half decent return when i get to the point of running 3 lotteries at once. The 34k you talk about is for 4 days investment :) When we get into a month and so on it will add up.
Also like i said, I am not taking anyones isk untill this is all set up to everyone standards. I am and always will be open to suggestions and ideas to make this viable.
Kain
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Posted - 2010.03.10 01:35:00 -
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Well ofcourse, like it says I have run 6 lotteries in bascially the last 6 weeks. :) Half of that would go to the shareholders.
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Posted - 2010.03.10 01:51:00 -
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Please don't read too much into every word. I know there is alot of scams going on. Thier is alot of money involved here 15.6bil to be exact if all shares sell. I didn't mean that any contributions made by futur shareholders were related to any risk of loss. And don't think people took it that way. Sorry you did. I will however ask Grendell to post in here saying he will continue to work for me as my 3rd party service provider as soon as can get access to the game. I don't want to get into giving Grendell all my investment money, then having to have him buy what i want, holding the rest and so on. This is my lottery, your way would make it bascially his. If a large investor comes along then we can look at alternatives but I believe this can work this way.
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Kain Rehel
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Posted - 2010.03.10 02:16:00 -
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The share price was chose so at the very least 5% return could be made a month on the 1.25mil investment. Also giving those who only want to invest a small amount (because they are scared of a scam) can do so. When they see dividends being paid out, then perhaps they will invest more. I hope this answers your question.
Auditing. Again I should have asked Grendell to perhaps vouch on my behalf since he has seen my "books" has my limited api information. And can vouch on all my lotteries. I will have to talk to him to see if he can audit or who he recommends. I trust Grendell he has helped me alot. I just want to take it to the next step.
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Kain Rehel
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Posted - 2010.03.10 05:25:00 -
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First Thanks guys for all the advice. I guess I took for granted all that is needed to start something like this. I'm gonna talk to Grendell about all this and hopefully he can guide me in the right direction. I want this to be as secure as I can make it without having someone else bascially running it. I'll take everything you've said, sit down and see what i can come up with forsure.
As for cosmoray comments, i thought that i made it clear what i wanted to do with the 16bil. I wanted to buy bigger prizes resulting in bigger profits, resulting in better dividends for everyone.
I can ofcourse continue to do carriers, collect the profit, then do dreads, collect the profit and keep going that route until i eventually get to my super carriers. I just figured there would be interest in this idea to "fast track me" straight to the carriers and make everyone some money.
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Posted - 2010.03.10 08:55:00 -
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Edited by: Kain Rehel on 10/03/2010 08:56:15
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You didn't get cosmoray's point:
it's plain stupid to lock up capital by buying the price before selling the tickets.
First sell all the tickets, then (let Grendell) take the proceeds and buy the price(s).
all capital a lottery needs upfront is the money to pay the 3rd party.
Lotteries just don't work that way unfortunaly. Grendell wants the prize in his possession before using his name as a 3rd party service. Otherwise the person running the lottery, could take all the money from ticket sales and run. Plus letting your clients know that the actual prize is out there held by the 3rd party gives extra confidence there is no funny business happening. I would not consider your idea of selling all tickets, gathering the money then getting the prize, and neither would Grendell.
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Kain Rehel
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Posted - 2010.03.10 09:23:00 -
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Thoraemond, thank again for taking the time to read everything and taking the time to explain all this to me, i do appreciate it.
First, I will ofcourse agree to a full api audit. Just need to find out a few names of people who do this sort of thing, and costs related to this, but i do agree with you I should have had this done before hand. If you have anyone in mind please forward their names to me. Whats this sort of thing cost?
Second, It makes no real different, weather I decided to have 25000shares or 1000000mil shares or 5000. I decided 25000 for the simple reason you have already said: small investors can be attracted aswell as the large investor. I've decided on this approach because my lotteries are run the same way, i have clients who buy 1, 1mil isk ticket and i have some who buy 100mil's of tickets. In my opinion the little guy can alwasy play a big part.
Third you talk about "Differentiating between:i-the likelihood that any investor would lose his or her ISK, and ii-the amount of ISK that investor would lose." Unless i am hit by a car and die, my investors will make money. I will continue to run my lotteries, at the carrier level or beyond. Worst case scenerio i continue to average a carrier lottery every 3-6 days, making a half decent profit on each giving my investors, a nice 4-5% return on this investment. This will only increase in time and with more amount of isk at my disposal. When you talk about "(Past a certain point, having more ISK in hand can tend to make it harder to earn a greater rate of return.)" I'm not sure i follow, When i get enough isk to run the bigger lotteries for say a super carrier, which can take 1-3 weeks (perhaps) i will still run a carrier lottery at the same time. :)
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Posted - 2010.03.10 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Cyaxares II
Originally by: Kain Rehel
Otherwise the person running the lottery, could take all the money from ticket sales and run.
obviously, the money for tickets would be send directly to the 3rd party.
I have already gone over this. I am not interested in my 3rd party running my entire lottery. Grendell's rate is reasonable for holding and picking the winner. If i add collect all the isk, confirm, update the names, this will eat away at my profit, reducing what i can give my shareholders. Besides, I can say Hey everyone TITAN lottery, but in the end if i cant get a titan, then what?
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Kain Rehel
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Posted - 2010.03.10 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: coeira
this is the 2nd time you've tried to do this venture in 3 days. the first time you where told such a large amount of money without collateral would be extremely hard to raise because of the scam risk.
and last time you where asking for the money to be sent to grendell this time your wanting to handle the investors money and the lottery money yourself so doubling the amount you could run off with.
First offering
Easy there partner, the link you provide is me asking for 1 or 2 investors, and got all your replies, took that information and made a plan to do it this way. Threw corp shares, and then pay dividends. That link was my first idea, this is a totally different approach. Do not accuse me of scamming. I have been taking everyones suggestions and trying to make this work.
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Kain Rehel
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Posted - 2010.03.10 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
Not buying the ship in advance will also allow you to make the lottery more attractive - "Jump freighter of your choice", for example, rather than "Rhea".
I can live with having a lottery with this idea, but i would still need the isk amount of a jump freighter to give to my 3rd party to hold. Otherwise the 3rd party would want to collect the ticket sales, and that just isn't an option. It would cost too much. And from the clients i talk to, 99% of the time the winner sells the prize in the end.
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Posted - 2010.03.10 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Kain Rehel on 10/03/2010 11:42:01
Not that it makes a difference but its only 15bil in total shares. But anyways I'm not sure what to say guys. I figured this was a good plan. Its obviously much harder to put something like this together than I thought. I will get an audit done, just to end this discussion and go threw the experience of going threw one. Thanks to those who did gave me great advice, much appreciated.
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Kain Rehel
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Posted - 2010.03.10 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kain Rehel on 10/03/2010 15:46:02
Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Kain Rehel
When i get enough isk to run the bigger lotteries for say a super carrier, which can take 1-3 weeks (perhaps)
I'd be interested in seeing the stats on this. If you're asking for 15B, you surely have done this kind of analyses. How long does such a lottery take on average? What's the minimum/maximum length of previous lotteries? How many lotteries failed to sell all their tickets?
Chribba's take 1 or 2 days max. Darknesss just had one and it took 4 days, but it looks like his tickets were sold after about 3days. Pretty much all motherships lotterys are done by chribba, seems he has the monopoly on this. For the most part all great prized lotteries with a webstie and trusted 3rd party sell out, its just a matter of time. I pride myself on getting mine done in days. Not that i compare myself to these two, but these are the guys i regularly see put on big time lotteries
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Kain Rehel
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Posted - 2010.03.11 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Chris Calamari
Kain, I am very interested in investing in this.. could we speak in game? when are you available?
add me aswell as lotto49, and we will talk
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Kain Rehel
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Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.03.12 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Kain Rehel on 12/03/2010 18:31:14
Good audit, shows me what i need to fix, whats not appealing to the public and so on.
Questions: 1-What is a resonable %return on an investment like this? Those that are somewhat interested, what would push u over that line to invest?
2-Would setting a set %return be more interesting to you guys. Say 10%/month, regardless if i have to pay out of my side of the profits, but if i do really well it doesn't go higher than 10%?
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Posted - 2010.03.26 12:22:00 -
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Necronym is my 1st investor :) 160 shares.
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Posted - 2010.03.26 15:33:00 -
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Midnightkis bought 40 shares, ty
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Posted - 2010.03.26 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: mourningdawn
1.Kain, you suggest in one of your early responses that in the future you expect to be able to complete a lottery every 4 days. Currently, however it takes you 6 days to finish a lottery. What is the difference there? Is it reputation of the lottery as suggested by your later post that Chirrba's lotteries take 1-2 days? Is there a logistical change that needs to be made as well? Obviously more isk = better prizes, but that doesn't seem to me that it would effect how quickly the tickets sell by 33%. Am I wrong there?
A- Currently is my lotteries take approx. 4.5days to sell out. It would be better than that, except my lotteries at the beginning took 7-10 days to complete. I have been averaging under 3 days per lottery in my last 5 lotteries, some being 24 hours. Ofcourse these are for 250 to 450 ticket lotteries of 1.5-2.0 Billion isk. I would expect a 20bil super carrier lottery to take 7days maybe a little more, maybe less but with more ending profit. And theirs nothing stopping me to have my normal lotteries at the same time as a super carrier one.
Originally by: mourningdawn
2. What is the market saturation point for lotteries? I ask, because honestly, I would never play one myself, so I have no idea what percentage of the population would. Anyone else besides Kain who wants to weigh in on this would be appreciated too.
A- I know your not asking me personally. But if the lotteries were to ever become saturated in the future, shares can always be returned at cost to the corp. I have a "back out" option at the end of each lottery. Although in my opinion i can't see dread/carrier lotteries dying the way i do them, but who knows.
Originally by: mourningdawn
3. Lastly, I saw at least one offer in the thread to discuss private financing. What happened with that? Kain, if you said no, why did you say no?
A-If your referring to Chris Calamari post, I have added him, and sent him 1 eve mail, have not seen him online ever, and i'm online enough and no return mail so... thats about it there.
Thanks for your time.
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Posted - 2010.03.26 17:14:00 -
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Thanks Delicana Ryn 40 shares on bought
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Posted - 2010.03.26 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Slavemaster
Edited by: Slavemaster on 26/03/2010 18:18:17
Hmm.... This is a scam with the sole purpose of making you look stupid...
49, is the Nigerian code for a scam.
Dont cry to the Master when your isk is lost...
K-Thx-Bye-BYe
C'mon Slavemaster, i'm not sure who you are, but one second your saying "Good Idea, I had a similar idea to use a National lottery numbers for 100% conformation." and now your yelling scam. I'm not sure where you got your information from but if u go back in my early lotteries, I used to use the real life lotto 649 number to determine my winning number, and had lotteries of 49 tickets. Hence the name of the lottery lotto49.
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Posted - 2010.03.26 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: mourningdawn
Thanks for your answers Kain. I'll reserve 100.
I will be able to get online in about 5-6 hours...oddly they won't let me login to Eve at work.
Although...I agree with Nudibranch. You should reconsider the ROI.
Right now i'm going to continue with this, I am however looking into this ROI option and will get all information on this before i comment on it, for or against. Also perhaps we can talk in game about the positives and negatives of this option.
PS i'll be at work for the next 8 hours and won't be able to log in, but will add you both.
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Posted - 2010.03.27 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Izze Investments
I would like to reserve 250 shares on behalf of Izze Investments.
312,500,000.00 ISK has been sent.
Sorry man but there is no isk sent from that character, and no corp called that either in the game. Also the character in mention is 1 day old, so i figured you trying to do some sort of scam? lol. Good luck
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Posted - 2010.03.27 05:19:00 -
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Thanks Nudibranch 200 shares sent.
Thanks Izze Investments 250 shares sent.
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Posted - 2010.03.27 12:45:00 -
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thanks Aymberlee Elisadell 80 shares purchased, sent.
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Posted - 2010.03.27 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Airkas
Edited by: Airkas on 27/03/2010 14:23:47
How many shares do you have left?
11630
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Posted - 2010.03.27 23:03:00 -
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Thanks dreamhole 20 shares.
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Posted - 2010.03.28 05:02:00 -
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Thanks Jazuh Marah - 2500 shares bought
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Posted - 2010.03.28 23:27:00 -
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100 shares purchased by dreamhole
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Posted - 2010.03.30 00:57:00 -
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800 shares purchased by nanofire.
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Posted - 2010.03.30 01:03:00 -
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RECAP - 7910 shares remain.
1- Necronym - 160 shares purchased
2- Midnightkis - 40 shares purchased
3- Delicana Ryn - 40 shares purchased
4- mourningdawn - 100 shares purchased
5- Nudibranch - 200 shares puchased
6- Izze Investments - 250 shares purchased
7- Aymberlee Elisadell - 80 shares purchased
8- dreamhole - 120 shares purchased
9- Jazuh Marah - 2500 shares purchased
10- nanofire - 800 shares purchased
11- JGR Guinevere - 100 shares purchased
12- King Gore - 200 shares purchased
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Posted - 2010.03.31 00:11:00 -
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Thanks AcMav 400 shares and Skofstad 80 shares purchased.
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Posted - 2010.03.31 11:21:00 -
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Thanks FarosWarrior 32 shares
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Posted - 2010.03.31 18:29:00 -
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Man o Man here we go again :) Sorry i couldn't post earlier, but RL and work has priority. I have to laugh at those that say this is all me, making alts, investing in my own investments, making a website, doing lotteries is all fake. Coming guys, i'd have better things to do, like pvp in my pvp alliance and corp. I have been upfront with all these investors, small or large. Yes most are alts. I have talked to there mains, explained to them that yes the dividends are quiet low AT THIS TIME but if your patient and we can get the capital to start doing supercaps and so on we could see nice dividends in the near future. And for whatever reason they chose to use thier alts as the face of there investments on here. I started this as a side thing for alliance lotteries and so on, and it has grown into much bigger, and hopefully that trend continues. I can see why most of my investors are my clients in lotteries or alliance members or people that i have been in corps or alliances with. They trust me. I have offered all my bigger investors options to put alts in my lottery corp with wallet viewing roles, they have also all be offered a buy-out option that they can sell all or some of thier shares back to the corp at cost after each lottery. I have also talked to a few of the bigger investors about having a designated investor picked by them to look of the books every once in awhile. I mean I'm not gonna pay an auditor his fee everytime i have an investor or something yells scam. But if a large investor wanted a new audit, i'm ok with that. I have been completely honest of what i want to do and my investors know that. Although i appreciate all the MD people who have looked into my past and are trying vigorously to find a way to yell scam. Please this tread for investors unless ofcourse you find actual proof that i am trying to scam. Thanks guys.
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Posted - 2010.03.31 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama
no worries, and i do tend to troll! i understand your POV, now try to understand mine.
i live here, its what i do, i run a public offering, i do audits, i invest in public offerings, i am chairman of the MD audit fund etc etc.
so when i see a thread, with no meaningful business plan from a first time offerer, a ridiculous ROI, and then it starts to get filled, by unknowns with almost no posting history, but more importantly no INVESTMENT history, it raises flags, big fat red flags.
now this is ignoring the most obvious flag, trying to threaten me to silence with a potential wardec :) but i guess we all get frustrated, and I for one also flips out if i think someone is calling me a liar, so i can totally relate to that.
so for the record, i have not said anyone is lying, i have raised some red flags that sprung into my eyes.
You mention that you do audit, are chairman of MD audit fund...etc, would u like your hands on my books? If i doesn't cost me anything i will give u my full api and whatever you need to put your mind at ease.
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Posted - 2010.03.31 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ruddy Rax
kain your reply just makes this ipo stand out more as a scam, you say you have better things to do then create alts and set up websites for a scam. well scamming 10-15 billion will pay for your accounts and pvp for a year or 2 so yeah its worth the effort.
as for your investors apart from the small investors who posted on here directly about investment, none of them have trusted you enough in your lottery to invest in you using there mains your biggest investor created his alt to invest in you just 2 weeks before he ploughed 3 billion into your lottery. which begs the question if they trust you so much and your not going to scam the rest of the investors at the end of it why aren't they investing using there mains?
It doesn't matter what i reply, someone will pick something out of it. I can only be honest and whats on my mind. to answer you...You would have to ask them. send msg to these guys see what u get man. and only some are using alts by the way, not all.
It is what it is, one guy refered to it earlier as "would u invest in chribbas super caps lotteries" no one answered, but i think u guys would. Obviously i'm not chribba but i'm trying to do the same thing, lottery wise, and in time i will. And if by chance it doesn't work out, isk will be returned.
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Posted - 2010.04.01 02:29:00 -
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Thanks Horratio Antillies 600 shares and Larsonist 500 shares and Entity 1 share purchased :)
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Posted - 2010.04.01 03:45:00 -
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Edited by: Kain Rehel on 01/04/2010 03:46:43
Thanks Bobby Booshae 100 shares purchased
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Posted - 2010.04.01 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Arbalest
Originally by: FarosWarrior
Don't we have some auditor in here keeping track of his investments? Some auditor that can see if the guy even recieves his money, and if he does that he doesn't send it back immediately, I bet the auditor would post something similar here when he sees it and I haven't seen it yet.
After the audit was completed (some weeks ago, 3?), I have not used the auditee's api (It most likely has been changed). However, I am happy to only check the auditee's wallet journals to confirm investments have been received. No charge. Or, Ji can do it - same result either way.
The API should be the same, if not let me know, as i said before, I am willing to open my books to anyone with concerns. I have msg Ji, he said he was busy, but would get back to me :) But ofcourse Lord Arbalest can see my books again. Just msg me if the api is different and i'll send u a new one.
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Posted - 2010.04.01 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane
Hang on, did OP's alliance threaten to wardec anybody who implied this might be (or at least appear to be) a scam?
If so, lemme go get my app to (insert your favorite huge 0.0 alliance) accepted real quick and then I'll have some extremely unpleasant things to say about (pick two: OP | OP's mother | OP's alliance) and include numerous scam accusations.
I'm assuming you are talking about AcMav who has no standing with my corp or alliance. Beside i believe it was more of a joke than anything. So the answer to your question is no!
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Posted - 2010.04.01 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
Can't see why your still bothering with this.
A small bond/IPO shouldn't take 21 days to not fill very much.
This is pretty much dead and you haven't raised or will not raise the cash you require.
Why bother playing it out.
Not sure u have been keeping up, i am half way there. Good things take time my friend. You'll see once i get the financing and this starts.
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Posted - 2010.04.02 02:05:00 -
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Thanks fobob 50 shares purchased.
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Kain Rehel
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Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.02 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama
Im not sure what it is you want me to audit? If you just want confirmed that ISK is being transfered to your toon, the thats not an audit, thats a simple fact check!
I can do a full audit, it will cost you 100M/account, you can apply the fund like any person can for a subsidized audit. However if that gets approved by the BOD, i cannot do the audit, out of a conflict of interest.
Well, I figured with all the scam yelling you have been doing throughout this topic, you would jump on the opportunity to check out my books and prove me wrong. Now you want 100m? Unbelievable.
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Kain Rehel
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Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.02 14:46:00 -
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Hey guys lets try to keep this on Topic, i am still looking for move investors ;) Ji Sama has declined my offer to open my books to him. I have contact Lord Arbalest to do what i call a "follow up audit" and supplied him with full api, just to at the very least give added confidence to my investors.
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Kain Rehel
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Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.02 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama
I have a minor problem with Arbelests report, but we all have different styles, i would have background checked alot more, and i would have made it clear that the OP's audited account was an alt account.
Just to make this clear, this is not an alt account, i only have 1 account and its this one. with characters, Kain Rehel (main) and lotto49 (corp holder alt) and Machine (baisc hauler) thats all i have! as stated by my first audit.
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Kain Rehel
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Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.03 03:07:00 -
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King from what i understand, u'd like your isk return, no reason given or needed, i have replied, but i do work. Once the shares have been returned to me, i will send u your isk no problem. :)
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Kain Rehel
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Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.04 17:24:00 -
[47]
3rd Dividend payed out.
Total Dividends payed out since start. 10 days now ( 38 628/per share ) 3% return
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Kain Rehel
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Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.04 20:01:00 -
[48]
Following shares have been purchased
Zaxwin 100 shares
JGR Guinevere 100 more shares
carmo pereira 160 shares
FarosWarrior 32 more shares
nanofire 7 more shares
Fobob 50 shares
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Kain Rehel
Gallente
Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.04 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dzil
Originally by: FarosWarrior
my second dividend payment is recieved
and Ji, stop acting like some 12-year old on drugs... the guy is legit, dunno what you have against him tho, raging the he has a succesfull IPO running?
Ji posts that most investors look like alts due to low post history.
Alt gets butthurt, claiming Ji's claiming this is a scam without proof.
Ji defends his position, raising red flags but not calling scam.
Alt continues to whine about the hurt in his butt.
I mean... that's just my perspective.
I have no problems with anyone posting anything they want, i only took offence when he said "I have a minor problem with Arbelests report, but we all have different styles, i would have background checked alot more, and i would have made it clear that the OP's audited account was an alt account."
I have made this clear, this is my main and only account with 3 characters described in the audit. He made this allegation with no proof. And that I have a problem with.
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Kain Rehel
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Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.04 22:58:00 -
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Not sure your aware of this, but i have nothing to do with picking the winners. Grendell uses chribba dice tool, for my lottery winners and its always been this way. My lotteries cannot be fixed in anyway.
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Kain Rehel
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Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.05 14:35:00 -
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Thanks Apathy Party of the Unterhades underpants Gnomes 100 shares purchased and Balthazar 250 shares purchased and fobob another 250 shares purchased and Nanofire another 800 shares.
Updated investor list
1- Necronym - 160 shares purchased
2- Midnightkis - 40 shares purchased
3- Delicana Ryn - 40 shares purchased
4- mourningdawn - 100 shares purchased
5- Nudibranch - 200 shares puchased
6- Izze Investments - 250 shares purchased
7- Aymberlee Elisadell - 80 shares purchased
8- dreamhole - 120 shares purchased
9- Jazuh Marah - 2500 shares purchased
10- nanofire - 1610 shares purchased
11- JGR Guinevere - 200 shares purchased
12- fobob 50 shares purchased
13- AcMav 400 shares purchased
14- Sesob Trading Corporation 80 shares purchased
15- FarosWarrior 64 shares purchased
16- Horratio Antillies 600 shares purchased
17- Larsonist 500 shares purchased
18- Entity 1 share purchased
19- Bobby Booshae 100 shares purchased
20- Carmo pereira 160 shares purchased
21- fobob 300 shares purchased
22- Zaxwing 100 shares purchased
23- Apathy Party of the Unterhades underpants Gnomes 100 shares purchased
24- Balthazar 250 shares purchased
4545 shares remain.
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Kain Rehel
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Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.05 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Kain Rehel on 05/04/2010 16:39:18
Originally by: Daisuke Aoki
Edited by: Daisuke Aoki on 05/04/2010 16:10:46
I'm interested in buying 55 shares. Maybe more later on if the returns actually end up as good as you say, but I'll start with this.
To make sure I'm getting this right, you're estimating a 4.5% return on this investment after every lottery event (which you said happens about every week/6 days)? So:
55 shares at 65.75 million ISK
4.5% weekly return would be 2.75 million ISK per week
Unless I've horribly misunderstood something here...
Where do I send the ISK to?
The 4.5% estimated return your talking about was monthly. However we have just completed our 3rd dividend payout in less than 10days, with a total return of 3%, so i am on pace for 9% monthly return. But again that is estimations. But 3% return since the dividends payouts started 10 days ago is fact. Dividends are payed out after each lottery with a report which you'll get after u are a shareholder threw a mailing list. Isk is sent to lotto49 with reason field lotto49 shares #u want, next time i log into him, i will confirm and send u shares.
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Kain Rehel
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Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.05 19:00:00 -
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Nanofire 800 more shares purchased. Thank you.
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Kain Rehel
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Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.05 21:36:00 -
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Thanks Carmo pereira 160 more shares and FarosWarrior 36 more shares :)
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Kain Rehel
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Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.05 22:46:00 -
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Larsonist 1000 more shares purchased.
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Kain Rehel
Gallente
Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.06 00:08:00 -
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Thanks Herbert West 233 more shares purchased.
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Kain Rehel
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Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.06 02:07:00 -
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Thanks Jazuh Marah 2216 shares purchased.
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At this time all shares are sold.
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Kain Rehel
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Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.09 03:36:00 -
[58]
Dividends for lottery 19 made 5th
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Kain Rehel
Gallente
Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.11 14:48:00 -
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Dividends for lottery 20 paid out! 6th dividends paid.
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Kain Rehel
Gallente
Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.14 00:27:00 -
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Dividends paid for lottery 21!
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Kain Rehel
Gallente
Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.17 04:49:00 -
[61]
Dividends for lotto49 - 22 paid out
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Kain Rehel
Gallente
Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.22 22:20:00 -
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Dividends for 23 and 25th lotterys paid. 24th is pending
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Kain Rehel
Gallente
Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.25 01:26:00 -
[63]
Dividends for 26th paid out.
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Kain Rehel
Gallente
Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.28 19:27:00 -
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Edited by: Kain Rehel on 28/04/2010 19:27:09
Dividends for 24th and 28th lotterys paid!
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Kain Rehel
Gallente
Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.05.05 13:04:00 -
[65]
lottery 29th and 31 dividends payed out.
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Kain Rehel
Gallente
Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.05.09 01:15:00 -
[66]
Dividends for 30th and 32nd paid out :)
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Kain Rehel
Gallente
Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.05.16 00:52:00 -
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Dividends for lotteries 33 and 34 paid. If shares become available I will post here. No reserve list sorry.
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Kain Rehel
Gallente
Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.05.20 15:34:00 -
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I will take them back lars. Send me back the shares and i'll send u the isk, np, thanks
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Kain Rehel
Gallente
Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.05.20 16:05:00 -
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I'd like to thank everyone who took part in my bond and help me get funding for larger lotteries. I'm happy to say I've finally managed to be able to afford to run these higher scale lotteries with my own funding.
All those who bought bonds with me will be re-paid in full (please allow up to 48hours for repayment) Grendell will confirm isk is returned, I hope you all enjoyed the many dividends (39% return in total), many thanks to all who gave me the opportunity to grow in my endeavors. I appreciate that you guys trusted me from the start, even though i have no collateral or previous bonds in this game.
I have made good friends with some of you threw my lotto49investment channel, and hope to keep in contact with some of you threw out this game.
Sincerely,
Kain/lotto49
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Kain Rehel
Gallente
Darkwave Technologies
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Posted - 2010.05.20 16:57:00 -
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All isk returned for all shares. Confirmation will follow as soon as possible.
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